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Geoff Ramsey Chief Innovation Officer eMarketer
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Write My Essay For MeConsumers’ media choices have exploded, making marketers’ jobs much more difficult, and the changes are only going to accelerate, according to eMarketer cofounder Geoff Ramsey.
Ramsey, who will be speaking at eMarketer’s upcoming halfday event, Attention! London on June 7 (http://attentionlondon.emarketer.com/), spoke with Sean Creamer about the evolving challenge of capturing consumers’ attention in the fragmenting media world.
eMarketer: Can you describe the marketing scene back when you first entered the space?
Geoff Ramsey: I spent 17 years working for various New York ad agencies starting in the ’80s. Back then there were way fewer choices. You had maybe 100 channels on television. You had X many print publications, but how many were really relevant to your target audience? You had whatever local radio stations there were, and lots of billboard choices. But the internet didn’t exist. And so it was a lot simpler to take a broad demographic group like men 25 to 54, and through a few buys on television, supplemented with some print or radio, you could reach 50% or more of your target audience.
eMarketer: How would you characterize the changes the media world has gone through?
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Ramsey: In the fragmented world that we live in now, with the internet and mobile, video, social and digital, good luck trying to reach 50% of your target with any one channel or subchannel. Even with mobile, it’s not a single channel because 80% of the time spent on the mobile channel is with apps, and there are hardly any ads on apps. The other 20% is spent on the mobile web.
“If you look at mobile app time spent … 70% to 80% of the time spent on mobile apps goes to like five apps.” Plus, all the research suggests that if you look at mobile app time spent, depending on which research source you look at, 70% to 80% of the time spent on mobile apps goes to like five apps. Unless you’re Facebook, Pandora or Google Maps, you’re going to have a really hard time as a marketer getting, first of all, somebody to download your app, and second, to actually go back and use it again and again.
It’s hard to get enough scale, given the number of choices with all the media fragmentation, to pull together a big enough audience across not only the web but offline channels as well.
eMarketer: How have marketers evolved in this fragmented landscape?
Ramsey: Marketers need to be both specialists who understand specific devices, usage situations and channels, whether it be search, email, desktop, etc., and generalists who can pull together all of these different channels and devices to be able to engage with consumers in the right context with the right message at the right time. That is hard to do across all of these moving pieces. It’s why marketing attribution is so hard and why getting the scale needed when targeting certain individuals is difficult.
eMarketer: Considering this need for fluidity between channels, how has this affected media buying over time?
Ramsey: What we are seeing in terms of attention is a massive shift from buying media based on some broad, predefined demographic, to audience buying where we’re being more agnostic about where that likely target happens to be across all of these different channels and devices, and finding that audience wherever they happen to be. This is one reason why media buying is only going to get more fragmented and more complicated.
“We’re moving from an app world to a bot world where … bots will become our own personal digital assistants.” We’re moving from an app world to a bot world where some people are saying that we’re going to be largely interacting or engaging with brands through messaging services that will increasingly get smarter and smarter about who we are and will become our own personal digital assistants. If you combine that with the innovations we’re seeing in artificial intelligence and voice recognition, in a shorter amount of time than most people think—I’m talking about two or maybe three years out—we’re going to be seeing some massive shifts in how you need to reach people and engage with them and get them to buy your stuff.
eMarketer: When did you first realize that a brand’s audience was no longer a silent player in the marketing ecosystem?
Ramsey: It has been such a slow and subtle transformation, beginning with the commercialization of the internet and then the rapid acceleration of twoway communication that was enabled by the mobile phone that goes wherever you are.
Television began the push mentality—you have this broad demographic out there and you push your message out to as many people as you can. But there is no feedback channel for them to have any say or to interact with your brand other than if they happen to make a purchase.
What the internet, mobile, bots and all of these other things do is actually make it not just a twoway conversation—they actually tilt the power significantly toward the consumer. Digital channels enable them to seamlessly jump from one channel or medium to another. In addition to ad blocking, they can simply choose to tune you out. One example of that is banner blindness. Another example is: With mobile, we can keep scrolling.
“Attention can only be gained by doing two things extraordinarily well. One is you have to manage your data well.” eMarketer: How can marketers work to grab attention in a fragmented arena?
Ramsey: To me, attention can only be gained by doing two things extraordinarily well. One is you have to manage your data well. That means going back to all of the different devices and channels and somehow rounding up all of the data to follow the customer’s journey throughout the purchase cycle, from before they’ve even heard of you—awareness—right through to interest, consideration and purchase, and then afterpurchase loyalty, reinforcing brand loyalty, etc. The only way you’re going to be able to do that in this day and age is to effectively manage your data.
eMarketer: Seeing as data for these functions exists across various data repositories, how can marketers round up this data?
Ramsey: The answer to that brings us to No. 2, which is breaking down the silos in your organization, which in turn means two things. The first is technologically integrating your marketing stack, as many of our reports suggest. And on the human side, from an HR perspective, breaking down the human silos that we have in our hierarchies where, for example, I am the head of search marketing, and somebody else is the head of video, and a third person is the social media monitoring person.
Somehow we have to integrate our people and integrate our data. That way we can effectively follow consumers throughout that journey and then serve up appropriate messages in the right context on whatever screen they’re on, to deliver the right message at the right time that’s appropriate for that person’s journey on that path to consumption.
For more insights from Geoff Ramsey, join eMarketer at our upcoming halfday event (http://attentionlondon.emarketer.com/), Attention! London on June 7, where he will be presenting.
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